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Extra security at Jewish schools should
be paid for by the Government, according to Hendon's MP.
Andrew Dismore made the request in a House of Commons debate on anti-Semitism last Thursday.
The Labour MP complained no money had been ring-fenced for security at Barnet's Jewish schools, despite increasing anti-Semitic attacks.
Mr Dismore raised the issue following recent revelations that some schools in the borough were asking parents for voluntary donations to meet security costs.
He argued that, in a borough with more Jewish schools than anywhere else in the country, the problem was serious.
"I visit schools all the time and the students - from the little kids to sixth formers - tell me time and again about the anti-Semitic incidents they experience.
"The threat and reality of anti-Semitism is with us. We are talking not only about Islamic extremists, but about the far right, and sometimes about plain nutcases.
"Jewish people are the only community in our country who live in a permanent state of siege and underlying fear."
In the last academic year Menorah Primary School in Woodstock Avenue, Golders Green, spent more than £20,000 on security guards, according to the MP.
Rosh Pinah School, in Glengall Road, Edgware, spent £15,000 on alarms and a similar sum on security guards. Mathilda Marks Kennedy School in Hale Lane, Mill Hill, reported similar figures.
Hasmonean High School, in Holders Hill Road, Hendon - the borough's only Jewish secondary school - spends £90,000 each year on security guards.
| "The threat and reality of anti-Semitism is with us. We are talking not only about Islamic extremists, but about the far right, and sometimes about plain nutcases." | | Andrew Dismore MP |
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Mr Dismore said: "We had a debate a while ago about school admissions and schools charging parents to allow their children to attend.
"It is a voluntary contribution, but Jewish parents are expected to pay towards the cost of ensuring that their children are secure at school.
"It is not fair that parents are expected to pay for what every other parent takes for granted - the security and safety of their children at school."
The Government allows a school's capital funding to be used for security but it is not ring-fenced. Currently, no Barnet school uses Government money for security.
Hasmonean headteacher Rabbi David Meyer said: "Unfort-unately we live within a day and age where Jewish students do need security in order to be able to study and at this stage in time the full burden of funding is on the Jewish
community.
"Really there should be an argument that every child has an absolute right to be protected and as the broader community we should be funding that."
The debate coincided with a string of attacks on synagogues across London, which were daubed in anti-Jewish graffiti.
Brian Coleman, London Assembly Member for Barnet and Camden, said: "Coupled with the vote for the BNP in the recent elections this anti-Semitism is a worrying trend and cannot be
tolerated."
A Government spokes-man said it had no plans to give Jewish schools extra funding.
Do you think the Government should fund extra security for Jewish schools? Have your say below and vote in the ballot.
3:07pm Wednesday 21st May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Stu on 4:27pm Wed 21 May 08
No taxpayers should not fund Jewish schools for security. The anti-Semitic graffiti could have been put there by a Jewish person.
No taxpayers should not fund Jewish schools for security. The anti-Semitic graffiti could have been put there by a Jewish person.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 7:38pm Wed 21 May 08
Dear Stu, is your surname "Pid". I would be very interested to see any details of cases where Anti Semitic behaviour was caused by Jews. I hardly think Jewish parents would like their children to see obscene grafitti as they go to school. As a parent, it is clear to me that one of the most primal instincts is protection of your children.
I'm a Roman Catholic so I'd like to think I'm unbiased. I believe that all children have a right to a safe education. Jewish schools seem to require a higher degree of safety than other schools. As a society we have a responsibility to organise it. I'd expect the government to be supportive of any minority facing a situation where Children were threatened. Surely that is not a political position, it is just being adecent human being?
Dear Stu, is your surname "Pid". I would be very interested to see any details of cases where Anti Semitic behaviour was caused by Jews. I hardly think Jewish parents would like their children to see obscene grafitti as they go to school. As a parent, it is clear to me that one of the most primal instincts is protection of your children.
I'm a Roman Catholic so I'd like to think I'm unbiased. I believe that all children have a right to a safe education. Jewish schools seem to require a higher degree of safety than other schools. As a society we have a responsibility to organise it. I'd expect the government to be supportive of any minority facing a situation where Children were threatened. Surely that is not a political position, it is just being adecent human being?
Posted by: Roger, Burnt Oak on 7:59pm Wed 21 May 08
I respect that everybody has their own opinion and that the public are able to weigh up the relative merits of each argument.
That being so, does Rog T really have to make offensive personal comments about people who post comments, or is he just a cybor bully?
I respect that everybody has their own opinion and that the public are able to weigh up the relative merits of each argument.
That being so, does Rog T really have to make offensive personal comments about people who post comments, or is he just a cybor bully?
Posted by: Beverley, Derbys on 8:34pm Wed 21 May 08
In reply to Roger, I would like to point out that it is a well known tactic for anti-fascists, some of whom are indeed of the Jewish persuasion, to spray anti-semitic or racist symbols in areas where it is believed that the British National Party are making electoral headway. The reasons are obvious; voters will make the assumption that the two are connected and will not vote for the BNP. Now, whatever your political persuasion or personal beliefs, I am sure you will agree that this is wrong - if the BNP are not wanted in an area, let the electorate says so without being misled.
So I do think it is possible that this graffiti might have been caused by those wanting the security fencing. Or it might have been a semitic attack - nobody knows but don't dismiss Stu's viewpoint as stupid just because you personally have not heard of such an occurence.
In reply to Roger, I would like to point out that it is a well known tactic for anti-fascists, some of whom are indeed of the Jewish persuasion, to spray anti-semitic or racist symbols in areas where it is believed that the British National Party are making electoral headway. The reasons are obvious; voters will make the assumption that the two are connected and will not vote for the BNP. Now, whatever your political persuasion or personal beliefs, I am sure you will agree that this is wrong - if the BNP are not wanted in an area, let the electorate says so without being misled.
So I do think it is possible that this graffiti might have been caused by those wanting the security fencing. Or it might have been a semitic attack - nobody knows but don't dismiss Stu's viewpoint as stupid just because you personally have not heard of such an occurence.
Posted by: Joseph, End Of The World on 9:31pm Wed 21 May 08
I don't understand, why should us gentiles have to give money to a school that actively excludes our children? Why should we fund racism on our own soil? Catholic schools are forced to allow jewish students, jewish schools should be forced to allow gentile students! Unless of course, they stop taking the tax payers money.
I don't understand, why should us gentiles have to give money to a school that actively excludes our children? Why should we fund racism on our own soil? Catholic schools are forced to allow jewish students, jewish schools should be forced to allow gentile students! Unless of course, they stop taking the tax payers money.
Posted by: Bess on 9:15am Thu 22 May 08
I think we are forgetting that we are talking about children. Defenceless
children. I would like to think if any minority was subjected to racism or any threatening behaviour in any way that the government would step in. Those individuals making it a political discussion ought to be ashamed of themselves. It is about protecting those most vulnerable, those who cannot protect themselves, those who need our help. If it was your children being bullied by the very society we live in would you not be demanding help? Think about what you are saying - you are denying those who need protection the most cos of your political view. I sincerely hope such individuals never need help or protecting.
I think we are forgetting that we are talking about children. Defenceless
children. I would like to think if any minority was subjected to racism or any threatening behaviour in any way that the government would step in. Those individuals making it a political discussion ought to be ashamed of themselves. It is about protecting those most vulnerable, those who cannot protect themselves, those who need our help. If it was your children being bullied by the very society we live in would you not be demanding help? Think about what you are saying - you are denying those who need protection the most cos of your political view. I sincerely hope such individuals never need help or protecting.
Posted by: Jay, London on 9:19am Thu 22 May 08
I 100% agree with Bess. Well done - finally someone with some sense! They are children - they need protecting - protect them! End of!
I 100% agree with Bess. Well done - finally someone with some sense! They are children - they need protecting - protect them! End of!
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 1:02pm Thu 22 May 08
"Roger, Burnt Oak", or whatever your name is (I think a few of us can guess). I happen to find "Stu"'s suggestion that Jewish People would daub such graffiti, purely to extract cash from the taxpayer, pretty offensive. I am surprised that this comment doesn't bother you.
I asked for any examples of this and lo and behold none are posted. By the way Joseph, my kids go to RC schools in Barnet and being a Catholic is the main selection criteria. And Dave, I think all kids should be protected from any form of bullying or intimidation. Why do you need to name specific minorities, who I would guess are far more on the receiving end of such treatment? I thoroughly agree with Bess.
"Roger, Burnt Oak", or whatever your name is (I think a few of us can guess). I happen to find "Stu"'s suggestion that Jewish People would daub such graffiti, purely to extract cash from the taxpayer, pretty offensive. I am surprised that this comment doesn't bother you.
I asked for any examples of this and lo and behold none are posted. By the way Joseph, my kids go to RC schools in Barnet and being a Catholic is the main selection criteria. And Dave, I think all kids should be protected from any form of bullying or intimidation. Why do you need to name specific minorities, who I would guess are far more on the receiving end of such treatment? I thoroughly agree with Bess.
Posted by: Bess on 1:58pm Thu 22 May 08
Thank you Roger and Jay. Its nice to know that some adults actually behave like adults.
It is our job to protect children. Schools should be a safe place and if unfortunatly the society we live in can't provide that than it is up to us to intervene. We are after all the adults, the wise ones, the ones that people turn to for safety, security and well being. It is not just about race but being able to provide well-being for children. Open your eyes people and lets start makin our schools safer places.
Thank you Roger and Jay. Its nice to know that some adults actually behave like adults.
It is our job to protect children. Schools should be a safe place and if unfortunatly the society we live in can't provide that than it is up to us to intervene. We are after all the adults, the wise ones, the ones that people turn to for safety, security and well being. It is not just about race but being able to provide well-being for children. Open your eyes people and lets start makin our schools safer places.
Posted by: Ben, Hendon on 4:29pm Thu 22 May 08
I thought the Government have already promised to do this. See Dismalls website from October.
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Does this mean our Labour Government and MPs are breaking their promises
I thought the Government have already promised to do this. See Dismalls website from October.
http://www.andrewdis
moremp.com/c4b915fd-
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73d59fd
Does this mean our Labour Government and MPs are breaking their promises
Posted by: Roger, Mill Hill on 5:37pm Thu 22 May 08
We are all of us adults and able to assess the strength or lack of strength of an arugment or a comment.
What is not acceptable is to make offensive personal comments about people entering into this discussion.
Rog T should have his say on the on the merits of the story, he might choose to give a counter argument to some of the views expressed, but what makes him a Cybor Bully is the way he makes offensive personal remarks about individuals who dare to post a view to which he disagrees.
By doing this he demonstrates that he is nothing but a paper thug.
We are all of us adults and able to assess the strength or lack of strength of an arugment or a comment.
What is not acceptable is to make offensive personal comments about people entering into this discussion.
Rog T should have his say on the on the merits of the story, he might choose to give a counter argument to some of the views expressed, but what makes him a Cybor Bully is the way he makes offensive personal remarks about individuals who dare to post a view to which he disagrees.
By doing this he demonstrates that he is nothing but a paper thug.
Posted by: Paul, 195-346 on 5:41pm Thu 22 May 08
What I findd funny is the way Rog T always has to have the last word.
What I findd funny is the way Rog T always has to have the last word.
Posted by: Stu on 9:18pm Thu 22 May 08
Hey Rog you wanted an example watch this video - http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=HLHgF_VVv
lQ
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it!
Hey Rog you wanted an example watch this video - http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=HLHgF_VVv
lQ
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it!
Posted by: St William, of Norwich on 11:02pm Thu 22 May 08
Well at least their schools aren't being cluster bombed.
Well at least their schools aren't being cluster bombed.
Posted by: Ben L on 9:21am Fri 23 May 08
I think that everyone is losing focus on what is really important - the children. Lets not forget the point of the article and the point that no matter what race, religion or colour, every child has a right to security. The only people missing out are the school children whose very safety is being threatened. Lets act now before its too late.
Of course the Government should be helping just like they should be helping if any other schools needed security. This constant bickering is helping no one. how you can look at any childs face and deny them protection is beyond me. IF it was your child being threatened would you want people to ignore it?
I think that everyone is losing focus on what is really important - the children. Lets not forget the point of the article and the point that no matter what race, religion or colour, every child has a right to security. The only people missing out are the school children whose very safety is being threatened. Lets act now before its too late.
Of course the Government should be helping just like they should be helping if any other schools needed security. This constant bickering is helping no one. how you can look at any childs face and deny them protection is beyond me. IF it was your child being threatened would you want people to ignore it?
Posted by: Chris on 9:31am Fri 23 May 08
Hear Hear!! The argument is not about religion it is about adequate protection in our schools. If these kids safety is being threatened for goodness sake give them some extra security. how there is even a debate about it is says everything about our society!
Hear Hear!! The argument is not about religion it is about adequate protection in our schools. If these kids safety is being threatened for goodness sake give them some extra security. how there is even a debate about it is says everything about our society!
Posted by: Calmdown, NW11 on 11:34am Fri 23 May 08
This looks like hysteria to me, over a bit of graffitti. These sort of graffitti daubers are mindless idiots at the bottom level of society, looking to seize on anything different about others to hang an insult on, and make themselves feel superior. Jewishness is just one such difference, and a conspicuous one locally. If they lived in Ireland, they'd be daubing anti-prod or RC slogans. Wouldn't it be better to catch the daubers, who are probably just the usual idiots? What terrorist has actually started out as a graffitti dauber? And, indeed, when was a Jewish school in this country actually ATTACKED? The only school attacks I know of have been on Gentile schools. e.g Dunblane. I don't hear anyone else screaming for protection. The "war on terror"/anglo-Americ
an foreign poicy puts us ALL under threat; I see no reason to give Jewish schools extra protection.
This looks like hysteria to me, over a bit of graffitti. These sort of graffitti daubers are mindless idiots at the bottom level of society, looking to seize on anything different about others to hang an insult on, and make themselves feel superior. Jewishness is just one such difference, and a conspicuous one locally. If they lived in Ireland, they'd be daubing anti-prod or RC slogans. Wouldn't it be better to catch the daubers, who are probably just the usual idiots? What terrorist has actually started out as a graffitti dauber? And, indeed, when was a Jewish school in this country actually ATTACKED? The only school attacks I know of have been on Gentile schools. e.g Dunblane. I don't hear anyone else screaming for protection. The "war on terror"/anglo-Americ
an foreign poicy puts us ALL under threat; I see no reason to give Jewish schools extra protection.
Posted by: Marco, New Barnet on 12:46pm Fri 23 May 08
This is another case of parents' hysteria over a lesser threat than is actually perceived. What about the other schools in the borough where students are brining in knives and drugs? Each school faces it's own problems and I think it's grossly unfair to discriminate funding based on religion.
This is another case of parents' hysteria over a lesser threat than is actually perceived. What about the other schools in the borough where students are brining in knives and drugs? Each school faces it's own problems and I think it's grossly unfair to discriminate funding based on religion.
Posted by: dani, golders green on 1:53pm Fri 23 May 08
What is grossly unfair is that anyone would argue against this move.
There is no question that anti-semitism is on the rise. Jewish children should be protected from that threat. This isn't some made up notion, it's plain reality and our children should not suffer.
This isn't about the graffiti, it's about a much wider problem. And denying the basic right of safety and security to our children is perpetuating that problem.
There are stats on attacks on Jewish schools, on Jews in general too. But what are we waiting for? A massive terrorist attack before we think that actually it's time to put in place extra measures? Shame on you.
Every child should be safe at school. From racist attacks, knife attacks, gun attacks, the lot. Rather than deny Jewish children this absolute right because other bad things happen in other schools (a profoundly weak argument) the government should ensure everyone is protected. It's a sad world we live in. Why make it sadder by failing to realise the issue at hand and supporting a way of making it better?
What is grossly unfair is that anyone would argue against this move.
There is no question that anti-semitism is on the rise. Jewish children should be protected from that threat. This isn't some made up notion, it's plain reality and our children should not suffer.
This isn't about the graffiti, it's about a much wider problem. And denying the basic right of safety and security to our children is perpetuating that problem.
There are stats on attacks on Jewish schools, on Jews in general too. But what are we waiting for? A massive terrorist attack before we think that actually it's time to put in place extra measures? Shame on you.
Every child should be safe at school. From racist attacks, knife attacks, gun attacks, the lot. Rather than deny Jewish children this absolute right because other bad things happen in other schools (a profoundly weak argument) the government should ensure everyone is protected. It's a sad world we live in. Why make it sadder by failing to realise the issue at hand and supporting a way of making it better?
Posted by: Janine on 2:01pm Fri 23 May 08
Well done Dani! couldn't have said it better!
Well done Dani! couldn't have said it better!
Posted by: Calmdown, NW11 on 3:01pm Fri 23 May 08
Let's get back to the basic question here, which is who should PAY for the extra security measures Jewish schools would like. Given the current evidence, i.e that all terrorist attacks so far have been on "strategic" targets such as the transport system, I do not see that state funding is justified. (Incidentally, I would be interested in the details of these "attacks" on Jewish schools -- broken windows, graffitti, even arson? Everyday events, regrettably, and not confined to any one sector). We did not protect Protestant schools against the IRA, and the same logic applies here, i.e Jewish schools are not an important strategic target; and Al Qaeda are bright enough to know that blowing up primary school children is not great PR. And what next? Are the nation's taxpayers going to be asked to fund extra security for synagogues? Jewish schools and syangogues have been running their own security measures, for their own reasons, for a long time now: this current spate of hysteria is, in my opinion, simply an opportunistic attempt to move this cost burden onto the shoulders of the taxpayer, using the kind of emotional blackmail politicians are seen as vulnerable to. It should, I believe, be resisted.
Let's get back to the basic question here, which is who should PAY for the extra security measures Jewish schools would like. Given the current evidence, i.e that all terrorist attacks so far have been on "strategic" targets such as the transport system, I do not see that state funding is justified. (Incidentally, I would be interested in the details of these "attacks" on Jewish schools -- broken windows, graffitti, even arson? Everyday events, regrettably, and not confined to any one sector). We did not protect Protestant schools against the IRA, and the same logic applies here, i.e Jewish schools are not an important strategic target; and Al Qaeda are bright enough to know that blowing up primary school children is not great PR. And what next? Are the nation's taxpayers going to be asked to fund extra security for synagogues? Jewish schools and syangogues have been running their own security measures, for their own reasons, for a long time now: this current spate of hysteria is, in my opinion, simply an opportunistic attempt to move this cost burden onto the shoulders of the taxpayer, using the kind of emotional blackmail politicians are seen as vulnerable to. It should, I believe, be resisted.
Posted by: Stu on 4:00pm Fri 23 May 08
Jewish Student Admits Putting Swastikas On Her Own Door
http://www.youtube.c
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Jewish Student Admits Putting Swastikas On Her Own Door
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=HLHgF_VVv
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Posted by: Joseph, Southern Lands on 6:41pm Fri 23 May 08
Yeshiva/Jewish schools should get Gentile money, when they allow gentile students in, which they do not! I'm not saying they should change their curriculum, but be open to all religions like Roman Catholic schools are forced to be.
If these schools want our money they should have a diversity and anti-segregation class on their curriculum, as well as accepting students of diverse faiths including Muslims, like Catholic schools do (atleast in America). Hate is caused by segregation.
Yeshiva/Jewish schools should get Gentile money, when they allow gentile students in, which they do not! I'm not saying they should change their curriculum, but be open to all religions like Roman Catholic schools are forced to be.
If these schools want our money they should have a diversity and anti-segregation class on their curriculum, as well as accepting students of diverse faiths including Muslims, like Catholic schools do (atleast in America). Hate is caused by segregation.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 7:27pm Fri 23 May 08
Stu,
I checked out your clip. I sort of assumed that you might have something a little bit closer to home. If you have to go to America to find a case to back up your argument, then I suspect that this is not something that happens in Barnet too often. It seems to me that if you the best evidence for your outrageous claim is a an attention seeking Yank with mental health problems, then you haven't got much of a story to tell.
I'm sorry if that view offends anyone, but I hardly think the clip has much relevance to Barnet. I'd be very interested to here the view of our council leader on this. I am sure we will.
Stu,
I checked out your clip. I sort of assumed that you might have something a little bit closer to home. If you have to go to America to find a case to back up your argument, then I suspect that this is not something that happens in Barnet too often. It seems to me that if you the best evidence for your outrageous claim is a an attention seeking Yank with mental health problems, then you haven't got much of a story to tell.
I'm sorry if that view offends anyone, but I hardly think the clip has much relevance to Barnet. I'd be very interested to here the view of our council leader on this. I am sure we will.
Posted by: Phil Crowther, Times Series Newspapers on 9:40am Sat 24 May 08
I'm reluctant to shut off this debate as the issue is important and relevant to a great proportion of the community, if not all of us.
However the first bit of name-calling just got deleted.
Please stick with the Terms & Conditions, everyone.
Comments that question the judgement of others are fine. Playground insults are not.
Phil Crowther,
Editor.
I'm reluctant to shut off this debate as the issue is important and relevant to a great proportion of the community, if not all of us.
However the first bit of name-calling just got deleted.
Please stick with the Terms & Conditions, everyone.
Comments that question the judgement of others are fine. Playground insults are not.
Phil Crowther,
Editor.
Posted by: Stu, UK on 10:26am Sat 24 May 08
Sorry Phil. This kind of story gets under my skin because I believe its complete nonsense.
Sorry Phil. This kind of story gets under my skin because I believe its complete nonsense.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 11:02am Sat 24 May 08
Stu, one thing interests me. Do you live in/near Barnet. You put your location as UK?
Most people round here put the area they ive in on the entry. If you don't, do you live in an area with any Jewish schools?
I'm just interested in why this is getting under your skin so much.
Stu, one thing interests me. Do you live in/near Barnet. You put your location as UK?
Most people round here put the area they ive in on the entry. If you don't, do you live in an area with any Jewish schools?
I'm just interested in why this is getting under your skin so much.
Posted by: Stu, England on 11:35am Sat 24 May 08
Rog I live in England that's all you need to know. It gets under my skin because Jews are made out to be a persecuted minority in England which is ridiculous and couldn't be further from the truth in my opinion.
Rog I live in England that's all you need to know. It gets under my skin because Jews are made out to be a persecuted minority in England which is ridiculous and couldn't be further from the truth in my opinion.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 2:25pm Sat 24 May 08
Stu, I actually agree with you in one respect. I don't believe Jews in England are a persecuted minority, I know quite a few local Jewish peopel and I've never heard any of them say they are. That is not the issue though. Jewish schools do suffer a higher degree of vandalism than other schools, warranting higher security costs. The issue is who pays the state or the parents. I happen to think that security at any state funded school is not an issue for the parents. The reason being that a well organised campaign could make a school untenable if the parents had to pay the costs. In a free society that is unacceptable. Can you answer me a question. What would you rather see, a jewish school shut down as a result of a concerted campaign of vandalism or government assistance to ensure that peoples rights are guaranteed?
By the way, in response to my question of whether you are local or not, I guess that's a no.
Stu, I actually agree with you in one respect. I don't believe Jews in England are a persecuted minority, I know quite a few local Jewish peopel and I've never heard any of them say they are. That is not the issue though. Jewish schools do suffer a higher degree of vandalism than other schools, warranting higher security costs. The issue is who pays the state or the parents. I happen to think that security at any state funded school is not an issue for the parents. The reason being that a well organised campaign could make a school untenable if the parents had to pay the costs. In a free society that is unacceptable. Can you answer me a question. What would you rather see, a jewish school shut down as a result of a concerted campaign of vandalism or government assistance to ensure that peoples rights are guaranteed?
By the way, in response to my question of whether you are local or not, I guess that's a no.
Posted by: graham, barnet on 3:36pm Sat 24 May 08
Jews are a minority in England and they are persecuted for being as such. We're not talking to the degree we've known in history but it's certainly getting worse and is that what has to happen before someone takes the problem seriously?
Jews are a minority in England and they are persecuted for being as such. We're not talking to the degree we've known in history but it's certainly getting worse and is that what has to happen before someone takes the problem seriously?
Posted by: David Miller, Barnet on 5:17pm Sat 24 May 08
Can you please refer to "Jewish people" rather than Jews? "Jew" is used by some as a derogatory term. I know that is not the intention here (at least I hope not) but all the same some of us find it offensive.
Can you please refer to "Jewish people" rather than Jews? "Jew" is used by some as a derogatory term. I know that is not the intention here (at least I hope not) but all the same some of us find it offensive.
Posted by: M. Grainger, Finchley on 7:06pm Sat 24 May 08
No.If security is required for Jews schools it should be paid for by the school.
No.If security is required for Jews schools it should be paid for by the school.
Posted by: Stu, England on 11:27am Sun 25 May 08
The Zionist Human Rights Commission in Canada has just been exposed posing as neo-nazi's on internet websites. Extremely shady behaviour!
http://watch.ctv.ca/
news/mike-duffy-live
/tuesday-may-20-2008
/#clip53980
The Zionist Human Rights Commission in Canada has just been exposed posing as neo-nazi's on internet websites. Extremely shady behaviour!
http://watch.ctv.ca/
news/mike-duffy-live
/tuesday-may-20-2008
/#clip53980
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 12:37pm Sun 25 May 08
Stu, I just watched your clip and I agree with your view that what the Canadian Human Rights commission were doing was wrong. It was quite a disturbing clip and no fair minded person would ever condone such behaviour. I have also just looked at the CHRC website www.chrc-ccdp.ca and I can see nothing to indicate that this is a zionist organisation - what lead you to make this allegation? It is a department of the Canadian govenrment. I don't think you help your case by implying it is a zionist organisation, because it will soon become clear to anyone looking at the clip. Thanks for posting the clip though, it certainly gives us all food for thought on what some people are up to on the net. Lets hope that everyone posting on this forum is being genuine and honest in what they say even if we don't agree with each other.
Stu, I just watched your clip and I agree with your view that what the Canadian Human Rights commission were doing was wrong. It was quite a disturbing clip and no fair minded person would ever condone such behaviour. I have also just looked at the CHRC website www.chrc-ccdp.ca and I can see nothing to indicate that this is a zionist organisation - what lead you to make this allegation? It is a department of the Canadian govenrment. I don't think you help your case by implying it is a zionist organisation, because it will soon become clear to anyone looking at the clip. Thanks for posting the clip though, it certainly gives us all food for thought on what some people are up to on the net. Lets hope that everyone posting on this forum is being genuine and honest in what they say even if we don't agree with each other.
Posted by: Stu, England on 1:51pm Sun 25 May 08
Rog the bloke behind this is Richard Warman a Zionist, not sure if he's Jewish but he's definately a Zionist.
By the way the reporter who exposes this on the video is Jewish, so good on him.
Rog the bloke behind this is Richard Warman a Zionist, not sure if he's Jewish but he's definately a Zionist.
By the way the reporter who exposes this on the video is Jewish, so good on him.
Posted by: Rogue, Trader on 5:36pm Sun 25 May 08
I wish I had time to read through and debate the tivia when I'm at work.
But I guess that's why the content of the Barnet Times never managed to swing any elections.
Instead I have to wait until I get home before I can wind up the left wingers out there.
I wish I had time to read through and debate the tivia when I'm at work.
But I guess that's why the content of the Barnet Times never managed to swing any elections.
Instead I have to wait until I get home before I can wind up the left wingers out there.
Posted by: Shlomo, Barnet on 12:36am Mon 26 May 08
[quote][bold]Stu[/bold] wrote:
No taxpayers should not fund Jewish schools for security. The anti-Semitic graffiti could have been put there by a Jewish person.[/quote] What a load of rubbish, you really know nothing about nothing. LOL!
Stu wrote:
No taxpayers should not fund Jewish schools for security. The anti-Semitic graffiti could have been put there by a Jewish person.
What a load of rubbish, you really know nothing about nothing. LOL!
Posted by: Frank, Barnet on 10:57am Mon 26 May 08
I am absolutely shocked to read of intimidation of children because they are Jewish. So much for our tolerant multi-cultural society. I am also amazed that anyone could object to Jewish schools being money to help with security. Forget about 'Jewish',this is a simple matter of dealing with some highly unpleasant and serious crime. And, if anyone is worried, about the money, I suspect that Barnet's Jewish community pays considerably above average in taxes, both local and national.
I am absolutely shocked to read of intimidation of children because they are Jewish. So much for our tolerant multi-cultural society. I am also amazed that anyone could object to Jewish schools being money to help with security. Forget about 'Jewish',this is a simple matter of dealing with some highly unpleasant and serious crime. And, if anyone is worried, about the money, I suspect that Barnet's Jewish community pays considerably above average in taxes, both local and national.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 7:41pm Mon 26 May 08
Stu, I looked up Richard Warman on Wikipedia. It says he's not Jewish, although we all know wikipidia can be wrong. Although I'll stand by my original statements above that it hasn't much relevance to school security in Barnet, the whole story is very interesting and I'd urge anyone, whatever side of the fence they sit on to check it out. I will certainly be keeping an eye on this story as I am very interested in what I would call misuse of the Internet. I certainly think that Richard Warman is guilty of incitement and the same rules should apply to him as anyone else. This story to me looks like he is a "rogue operator" rather than part of a widespread conspiracy. I suspect that he's damaged anyone who has dealt with him in good faith. I'm not a big fan of dodgy lawyers full stop and he certainly falls into this category.
Thanks for the info, I know we don't at all agree on the main topic, but you've certainly flagged up an interesting story which I will be keeping an eye on.
Stu, I looked up Richard Warman on Wikipedia. It says he's not Jewish, although we all know wikipidia can be wrong. Although I'll stand by my original statements above that it hasn't much relevance to school security in Barnet, the whole story is very interesting and I'd urge anyone, whatever side of the fence they sit on to check it out. I will certainly be keeping an eye on this story as I am very interested in what I would call misuse of the Internet. I certainly think that Richard Warman is guilty of incitement and the same rules should apply to him as anyone else. This story to me looks like he is a "rogue operator" rather than part of a widespread conspiracy. I suspect that he's damaged anyone who has dealt with him in good faith. I'm not a big fan of dodgy lawyers full stop and he certainly falls into this category.
Thanks for the info, I know we don't at all agree on the main topic, but you've certainly flagged up an interesting story which I will be keeping an eye on.
Posted by: Huw, Barnet on 3:09pm Tue 27 May 08
Well Rog, you know my solution to this. Segregation in schools is inherently wrong, so there shouldn't be any Jewish schools (or RC for that matter), everyone should be educated in the same way at a uniform (and hopefully high) level of quality.
On the other hand I wouldn't want my kids going to the same school as Stu's.
Well Rog, you know my solution to this. Segregation in schools is inherently wrong, so there shouldn't be any Jewish schools (or RC for that matter), everyone should be educated in the same way at a uniform (and hopefully high) level of quality.
On the other hand I wouldn't want my kids going to the same school as Stu's.
Posted by: Oh, NO !!! on 7:42pm Wed 28 May 08
Oh NO, Not Rog T again !!
He posts so much, I think he gets pleasure from reading his own diatribe.
Oh NO, Not Rog T again !!
He posts so much, I think he gets pleasure from reading his own diatribe.
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